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Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 17:02

Napsáno Palmitas, 07.04.2025 at 16:06

He apologized and it was one moment that resulted in nothing as it was all saved in a backup.

There was no backup of Discord. He permanently deleted it. All those years of content are gone forever. That's not "nothing".

The fucking audacity to ONLY reply to that part of my message and ignore the entirety of it, aswell as the other one. It feels like im talking to a brick wall.

w.e, I know making you angry will not help in any shape or form to get what we, as a community, want from you. Which seems simple, but apparently isn't. I'm really getting on my nerves (Croat style)

I miss ivan and Amok , game went to shit

Well, this thread has certainly gained traction.

This is my (unwarranted?) two cents on the issue. Working in law has given me insight into the impulse to punish as a means of deterrence, which is entirely valid. Historically, punishment has been regarded as the most effective way to discourage unwanted behavior.

However, the legal system also incorporates statutes of limitations for good reason. If we imprisoned people indefinitely, our correctional facilities would quickly reach capacity.
After 4-5 years, it's reasonable to conclude that the point has been made. While punishments help maintain social order, second chances make our communities more humane and livable.

The competitive community is barely surviving, and realistically, extending second chances to players might breathe new life into what once united enthusiasts across the board. You can always reinstate bans if necessary, but taking a measured risk to improve the game's ecosystem seems like a reasonable gamble.

Consider that growth often comes from our willingness to reevaluate rigid positions. The strongest communities aren't those that punish forever, but those that create pathways for genuine rehabilitation and reintegration. At some point, we must ask ourselves what matters more: maintaining the permanence of old decisions or fostering an environment where people can demonstrate they've changed. The game's future might depend on our answer.

Looks cool, Ill check it out

Napsáno Acidus, 24.03.2025 at 11:05

Napsáno b2spirit, 17.03.2025 at 03:16

(D*ve's fault)

LMFAO
man idk what happened to the game in these last few years but this is so funny

its somehow still on life support

Dave,

I think it goes without saying at this point—everyone has already shared their thoughts on the current state of the game: the players you've refused to unban, the slow pace of improvements, and the steady decline in activity. However, I'd like to comment on one particular aspect.

A true leader knows when to acknowledge a mistake. And if you're looking for examples, some of the most respected CEOs—like those of Microsoft or Apple—have publicly admitted when they've made the wrong call. That's not weakness, that's humility. I say this with the utmost respect: I hope you take a moment to genuinely reflect.

Even users often labeled as toxic or disruptive—like Kaska—have recognized that the mass banning of players has gone too far. And honestly, if someone like me, who used to be known for toxic behavior in duels and clan wars, can admit it was time to grow up and stop playing the victim, I believe change is possible. I had to take a "forced vacation" myself, and I now recognize how counterproductive that attitude was.

As Kaska suggested, why not simply unban those users but mute them from everything except private messages? What real harm could they do? If you give them a second chance, many of them might return—and with them, activity could increase again. We could even experiment with fresh concepts: maybe an "ancient season," or a rotation of never-before-seen maps. As we all know, atWar has near-infinite creative potential.

And if time or resources are the problem, subcontracting is always an option. Outsourcing some work to experienced developers—say, from Mexico or India—could go a long way. Believe me, as a business and process consultant, I say this from experience.

As many have said, an event where you make Waffel super admin or I don't know, something innovative while simply AIing the game or fixing bugs in the maps. And on the topic of Lion nuking the discord, please Dave, it's not like it was the end of the world. I bet Croat or someone else who had the power to do that over a little tantrum could have done it.

It's time to move into the future, even games that were abandonware are reviving thanks to the community, you need a real community manager for the game and maybe, dedicate yourself to the technical, marketing and business issues of the game and believe me many people in the community would be happy to help as it was in that era when Alois and not a certain bug abuser was the head supporter.

I know I'm repeating things others have already pointed out, but I still felt it was worth adding my two cents to the conversation.

Too much words not reading

I want to see you react to this post 3 years later and see if the "plan" was what you thought it would be

Napsáno Kaska, 07.04.2025 at 20:11

(Also waffel, Fuck you)

Well at least on this we agree. It's a beginning

Napsáno ChadTiger, 07.04.2025 at 19:44

This forum has been one of the best things that had happened in atwar recently. It actually has sparked activity in the game and revealed there is hope for this game. After reading all the post made I have come to a simple decision. There are a lot of players still willing to play but they are banned or mad at Dave. The Lion situation is one that constantly haunts this game, it is over a joke, Lion being young and stupid deleted a dead discord server. Maybe it's time Dave to consider unbanning him. He could be a asset to this game the few weeks he played there were CWs 2v2 old players having fun competing it was a blast for a new player hungry to learn. Then 1 day I logged on his alt was banned. Consequently 2v2s and 3v3s died and CWs stopped happening. Dave you said that Lion destroyed important discord stuff, but you are wrong discord has nothing to offer it's experienced players give nuggets and nurturing younger players so when they leave there is a new generation to carry the game. I have become a lot better player from the short time I new Lion he encouraged me and helped me become better and also created games. Also I can say the same for Temp and Khauman. You can do all you want to this game and spend all the money you want on advertising, but it will be futile because there is nothing to keep players hooked. I'm adding this in not as a jest, but as a insight there is a old prestige forum that is more active then this game with player talking having fun and reminiscing the old times. It is also more active then the Atwar official discord that hasn't had a active conversation in 2 years so Lion Sins delete wasn't even major. So please consider letting him come back as a player not as a MOD, and see how the game flourish. Trust me if you started lifting banneds on main accounts CWs and the game would get so much more active. Also your advertising money would go to use because you would actually be able to get players to stay. I also want to thank everyone who helped me from Tungston, Lion, Temp, Khauman, Waffel, CaptainWF, and Palm you made the game fun and it's the only reason I play .

I appreciate your feedback and I do hear you, even if I don't 100% agree with you. Thank you for being kind and respectful.

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 20:37

Napsáno YourSphinx, 07.04.2025 at 19:40

I do have a few ideas on how to give this game a bit of juice, maybe I'll communicate through our favorite German mod.

If you heil him he can give you my personal discord.

He gets mad when I do that

This glitch still exists it says I have lost 3 CW but I have only lost 2 because I was on Wu-Tang and beat D legion now I'm on legion it says its a loss.

Napsáno YourSphinx, 07.04.2025 at 19:40

I do have a few ideas on how to give this game a bit of juice, maybe I'll communicate through our favorite German mod.

If you heil him he can give you my personal discord.

Napsáno Waffelo, 07.04.2025 at 19:12

Oh wow, I can't believe that I'm actually reading this Dave

So out of ALL of what I've wrote, this is what you're going to be nitpicking about? Two minor details of a very big picture that has been portrayed before you by not just me.......

Yes because you type too much. I don't have time to read all that. Especially when you start off with a bunch of false crap.

Dave i really dont understand why you refuse to unban. Just permamute them on all but pr if you really dont want their opinions

Sorry but i really dont see any viable reason to sée thé game die

(Also waffel, Fuck you)

This forum has been one of the best things that had happened in atwar recently. It actually has sparked activity in the game and revealed there is hope for this game. After reading all the post made I have come to a simple decision. There are a lot of players still willing to play but they are banned or mad at Dave. The Lion situation is one that constantly haunts this game, it is over a joke, Lion being young and stupid deleted a dead discord server. Maybe it's time Dave to consider unbanning him. He could be a asset to this game the few weeks he played there were CWs 2v2 old players having fun competing it was a blast for a new player hungry to learn. Then 1 day I logged on his alt was banned. Consequently 2v2s and 3v3s died and CWs stopped happening. Dave you said that Lion destroyed important discord stuff, but you are wrong discord has nothing to offer it's experienced players give nuggets and nurturing younger players so when they leave there is a new generation to carry the game. I have become a lot better player from the short time I knew Lion he encouraged me and helped me become better and also created games. Also I can say the same for Temp and Khauman. You can do all you want to this game and spend all the money you want on advertising, but it will be futile because there is nothing to keep players hooked. I'm adding this in not as a jest, but as a insight there is a old prestige forum that is more active then this game with player talking having fun and reminiscing the old times. It is also more active then the Atwar official discord that hasn't had a active conversation in 2 years so Lion Sins delete wasn't even major. So please consider letting him come back as a player not as a MOD, and see how the game flourish. Trust me if you started lifting banneds on main accounts CWs and the game would get so much more active. Also your advertising money would go to use because you would actually be able to get players to stay. I also want to thank everyone who helped me from Tungston, Lion, Temp, Khauman, Waffel, CaptainWF, and Palm you made the game fun and it's the only reason I play .

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 05:46

I've met Sid in person and I believe he is a pretty normal, rational guy. I really don't understand the hatred against him. But I digress.

Again I do appreciate the message. I'm still here and happy to talk with you any time.

Dave, my message wasn't so much trolling, just melodramatic drivel. I've met Sid multiple times in person, I dearly miss 2017-2020 Sid, he was one of my closest friends, truly a great, funny, rational guy. Someone younger me could look to for wisdom. Unfortunately he became a mind-shattered, hysterical, leftist freak in like 2021 (I suspect too much Reddit) and is now incapable of emotional regulation. He cut off essentially everyone close to him in our online sphere including me. This timeframe parallels his volatile moves in banning individuals, but I digress.

I don't have any strong opinions on what should happen next. I'd loosely argue a pardon on all non category 1 threats, including Lao, just ignore him. Certain players deserve the ban hammer rightly so but I'd like to see some old faces around here once again.

Once again it's your game, do what you please. It must be entertaining seeing mini uprisings on your own product, the irony doesn't escape me.

I do have a few ideas on how to give this game a bit of juice, maybe I'll communicate through our favorite German mod.

I really dont understand what harm can do unbanning players without making them moderators supporters or whatever. They cant make the enviroment worse then it is now, it's almost impossible to get decent games starting, and the few people that are around still act toxic or trolls or anything (appear to be the nature of this kind of games). Once again i never took any part in any side, but all this looks like children planting their foot for some toy that got broken years before (both sides). Just slowly come back to play games if you like to, and just unbann people if they only wants to play the game until they prove they didnt learn and bann them again.

Don't be a stupid and weak panican. Trust the plan.

Napsáno Palmitas, 07.04.2025 at 16:06

He apologized and it was one moment that resulted in nothing as it was all saved in a backup.

There was no backup of Discord. He permanently deleted it. All those years of content are gone forever. That's not "nothing".

No one should ever forget just how close we came to disaster. The Biden years were some of the worst in our country's history. Our dementia-addled former President handed the government over to radical activists who opened the border, turned every important institution into a petri dish for disastrous social engineering, and left the country humiliated on the world stage.

This decline, accompanied by visible and pronounced decline in Americans' quality of life, was not marked by widespread civil unrest. None of the violent pushback so confidently predicted by accelerationists and regionalists and all the other worthless -ists who came and went over the last 4 years ever materialized. Rather, until Trump's miraculous political comeback, the Right was confused and passive. Democrats dumped tens of millions of illegals into the country, looted the treasury, and generally ran the board without any substantive institutional opposition.

The American Right was incredibly fortunate. Democrats very visibly broke the country AND put forward two of the weakest and most abrasive national candidates of all time, sloppy drunk Kamala Harris and spiteful eunuch Tim Walz. Donald Trump, already a world-historical figure, assembled a team of loyalists with far greater discipline and professionalism than you saw in either 2016 or 2020. Many of Trump's former enemies showed remarkable grace and endorsed him rather than see the country (and the world) decline to nothing. Then, after all this happened, Donald Trump's life was saved by a public act of God that would be seen by billions of people, with an assassin's bullet missing his brain by less than a quarter of an inch.

Napsáno KASKA BIG FAN., 07.04.2025 at 16:08

Servers down many times in the last few weeks or they very slow laggy

Well it was exactly like I predicted.....

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 06:23

I hate to even mention his name, because now it'll only be a few hours until he crawls out of wherever he is and replies from some new alt.....

Like not even an hour after that he showed up and wrote a bunch of posts. I deleted and banned. Immediately after that server started getting ddos'd.

His behavior hasn't changed for 5+ years and counting. So predictable.

Servers down many times in the last few weeks or they very slow laggy

Dave, there is no point in deleting messages. They can still be seen.

I still don't get why dont you unban players ffs. Lion deserves a pardon, I agree with my compatriot. He apologized and it was one moment that resulted in nothing as it was all saved in a backup. Let's not fuck around and unban players ffs. the faster the better. If you don't unban players, at this point it shows that you care more about your ego than the game. Besides bugs and lion, what was the main reason players like Jugers or Trystane got the banhammer? 3 and a half years on, that is over 1200 days, there is no point in keeping the bans. Please consider it. The game is worse than it was 1 year ago, and has been that way forever. In some sense im surprised we can still get games with 8 people.

Besides, I don't like to blame Sid for whatever happend. Yes, he did make mistakes but he is one of the reasons I'm still into atwar to this day. He has always been a nice person to me and taught me a lot of stuff - I know he is a good person.

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 05:08

Napsáno Nero, 02.04.2025 at 18:54

Hi I am Nero

I don't exactly agree with your assessment, but I do appreciate your feedback. If we were to talk perhaps you would see things differently from my perspective -- or perhaps we would never agree 100%. But either way my metaphorical door is open to you, any time. (I think you know my personal Discord but if not Sascha can give it to you.)

Hope you are doing well.

Great, don't agree with any assessment that goes against what you wish were true. You haven't heard a single person out, you just go back to justifying killing the game while continuing to delete posts. This game is a safe space Dave, YOUR safe space.

What more can be said? It's literally been the same discussion for years. If you still don't see that what happened was in some way wrong, you never will.

But, this is your house and you make the rules. Enjoy your empty, lonely home.

Hope you are well as well.

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 06:23

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I've made my share of mistakes. I made Lion a supporter, for example, and gave him access to the official atWar Discord. He repaid my trust in him by nuking said Discord. Obviously that was a bad staff pick on my part. (And this is the guy people want unbanned? Never going to happen.... but I digress.)

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People agree that a pardon should be necessary. I don't see the danger of certain players being there if they're not part of your staff. So, what are they going to do? PLAY THE GAME? HAVE FUN LIKE BEFORE? VALUE THE TIME THEY HAVE? w.e.

Napsáno Metyu, 04.04.2025 at 05:54

Napsáno Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:14

Napsáno b2spirit, 17.03.2025 at 00:15

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Nice necropost

Necropost? It was never fixed.

He's using a post from 4 years ago to bitch about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this post.

Guess it's time to lock the thread.

Napsáno KYBL, 06.04.2025 at 21:34

Joined in 2011, this game was high school for me. Stopped playing in 2016, came back during the pandemic but by that point the game was largely dead. Still come back to fuck around with the maps while listening to podcasts or something.

And agreed with Nero on the safe space stuff. A war-based strategy game is always going to attract the type of people who are interested in geopolitics, and therefore geopolitical banter. It's what made the community what it was.

I definitely don't think atWar is a "safe space", and I wouldn't want it to be!

Napsáno Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:29

First of all waffel, you dont know shit about the reasons i resigned. You dont know shit about the way I was as a mod, what m'y opinions are or what I was saying in mod forum

I dont want to argue with you, but your perception of m'y rôle in atwar décline IS Silly

Me having a Big mouth might be a problem but i had nothing to do with most of the décisions that provoked this décline. Ask Nero if you dont trust me. I Never permabanned anyone (except one Guy who was IP fishing).

That being said, it was a mistake to ban all these players due to spam and forum posts, perman ban waffel or chill guys liké Lion was wrong, even Lao who i Never liked, Never deserved that treatment, to Say thé least.

It's another mistake to keep the bans now, general pardon IS needed

Dave it's Time to show that you have a big heart and let this nerds enjoy a truly Amazing game and sherish their souvenirs.

Kaska you're my favorite Frenchman on atWar, but I still can't agree with you.

To be honest I don't even remember banning Waffel, but I guess I must have. As you can see I haven't banned his alt or even deleted his messages, even though they are dumb. I'm tolerating his presence.

What Lion did was unforgivable. Not only did he break my trust, he's made no compensation for the damage he caused. He did apologize which I appreciated, but that didn't undo the damage. So I really can't believe how you support him.

As for the rest, there are really very few people who we bother to keep out of here. I know several who were either banned back in 2021, or deleted their own accounts, who have come back on alts. As long as they don't bother anybody I look the other way and let them play. Not everybody, but several.

Napsáno Ghostface, 04.04.2025 at 11:39

I think dave surrounded himself with the wrong people and whats worse he trusted them and gave them power, which is normal actually the most power hungry people are the ones to make it and then use that power how they want
like Stalin in the Ussr he didnt rule it for so long by being a great statesman for sure , and reading by the comments here on sid u can draw a pretty good parallel, ban dissenters and surround urself with puppets and yes-men.
These are ppl that dont really care about the good of the game but their own ego , if everyone was against them they would permaban everyone destroy the community and leave themselves too just in spite. (which kinda happened already)
If dave thinks hes flawless and hasnt made a single wrong decision in picking staff , bans or whatever then hes an egoist too and theres simply no point to argue about that.
Marking people as toxic and permabanning is also illogical cus who decides who is toxic or not its not a logical measurement , and id bet if u made an anyonymous poll about dave , sid croat or whoever majority would mark them as toxic too.
Many years ago i remember reading the forum drama of croat vs CE, which was some of the funniest banter ive ever read but if that happened today the posts and threads would be deleted, croat would be called toxic,racist and permabaned maybe and CE too as well which puts todays situation in perspective , its probably why nowadays theres not much discussion going on in forums anyway since they have been "sterilized" of toxicity.
Banning or permaban ppl for cheating is k , but permabaning bugs for cheating while slapping pavle on the wrist for the same thing and letting him keep supporter status , id rather u just come and take a crap on my head
than doing this kangaroo court stuff.

I am definitely not flawless.

I've made my share of mistakes. I made Lion a supporter, for example, and gave him access to the official atWar Discord. He repaid my trust in him by nuking said Discord. Obviously that was a bad staff pick on my part. (And this is the guy people want unbanned? Never going to happen.... but I digress.)

On the other hand do I think it was a mistake to ban people who came at me personally? No. Don't come into my house and insult me and then be surprised when I throw you out. (This is how I look at atWar. It's not a democracy!)

You're right in one way though -- it's practically impossible to have a logical measurement of who is "toxic" or not. I don't have any problem with the "toxic banter", I even enjoy it too sometimes. There is a line somewhere that gets crossed and it's hard to say exactly where it is, except usually you just know it because people go waaaaay past it. I think its fair to say this was one of the things we struggled with the most in the moderation team -- figuring out where to draw the line in many different situations.

A lot of moderation decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, and there are very often facts that influence our decisions that we don't discuss publicly. Bugs for example was banned for a lot more than just cheating, and I'm not going to go into it even now. (And I hate to even mention his name, because now it'll only be a few hours until he crawls out of wherever he is and replies from some new alt.....) I'm not condoning Pavle but he was punished appropriately and I believe he's learned his lesson. Those 2 situations are not even close to the same thing.