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It is simple: accept that you are wrong when everyone, even those at odds with each other, says the same thing.

Cmon Dave, do the right thing, its now or never, general pardon my friends, they dindu nothing, general pardon even xbugs just tie his hands so he wont hack anymore.

Napsáno MMA Amine-Diaz, 08.04.2025 at 08:28

Thanks Dave for fixing the game it's the best game I've ever found I've made some great friends here when I couldn't log in yesterday for more than 2 hours I felt really down because I was afraid I'd miss my best friends here and when I could finally log in I felt so happy so thank you
I hope this game will continue to work in the coming years because I have had the benefit of memories and many have interacted here on this topic to thank you Dave by the way I have been playing the game for a year and I have not found anything better than it. Whenever I feel bored I come here to have funand talking to you and my friends so thank you really so thank you very much

iykyk

CW games won
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CW games lost
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Napsáno El Serbio, 08.04.2025 at 07:24

As for xBugs—we played years ago when he was around rank 7. I'm not his biggest fan because his ego might actually be bigger than yours, but I can't deny he's smart and could do a lot to help the game. Did he cheat? Yes. Would he do it again if unbanned? I honestly don't think so. I don't even know if we'd end up playing again, but you get the point.

You lost all credibility when you said bugs should be unbanned. That unhinged freak has been perma banned for many years before Dave and should be forever.

"The enemy of my enemy is not my friend"

Any idea/movement bugs attaches himself to is wildly unserious. It's time you understand that.

He is not smart. He cannot create, only destroy.

He can hardly be considered an atwar player, he cheated as a rank 2 in 2017 and has been perma banned since, with short stints of playing under an alt. He is not a part of this community, drop it.

Asymmetric Warfare Scenario (Under Development)

Hello, I would like to introduce a brand new atWar game/scenario. It is called 'Asymmetric Warfare' (AW). The premise of the scenario is a hypothetical war between the United States (US) and Republic of China (Taiwan) on one hand, and the People's Republic of China (PRC) on the other. In this scenario, the 'war' starts when the PRC invades Taiwan.

Development of an atWar game/scenario was inspired by the Center for Strategic and International Studies or CSIS1. For those of you who are not familiar with CSIS, it is a highly respected, bipartisan, nonprofit policy research organization dedicated to advancing practical ideas to address the world's greatest challenges.2

In January 2023, CSIS released a comprehensive report that examines the results of several CSIS wargames in which the PRC attacks the island of Taiwan. The report is entitled: 'The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan'1. It is a fascinating read. For those of you who are interested, the full report is available for download at:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan

Asymmetric Warfare (AW):

There are two assumptions to the AW game/scenario. The first assumption is that Taiwan is attacked by the PRC. This effectively means that the PRC always has the first turn and that it, the PRC, is at war with Taiwan starting on turn one. The second assumption is that the United States responds to the PRC attack with military intervention. There is also the possibility that other regional belligerents will become involved in and participate in the scenario as well.

Once the basic assumptions are identified, it will be necessary to define the game/scenario itself. This involves identifying which countries will be considered belligerents and, by definition, included in the scenario. Belligerents may include Australia, Iran, Japan, Malaysia, North Korea, the Philippines, Russia, Singapore, South Korea and Vietnam. It is assumed that Taiwan, the PRC and the US are all belligerents and therefore included in the scenario. The number of players will be defined by the number of belligerents, so there will be a minimum of 3 players: Taiwan, the US and the PRC, to as many as 12 players if each country is assigned a player. Based on this, the game looks very much like it could be a game of two or more teams. So, for example, the game could be a two team game with the US and Taiwan battling the PRC. Or, it could be a multiple team game if India and Russia are included as separate teams.

Defining the game/scenario will also define which US bases are included. For example, Japan has 14 US military bases, the Philippines has 9 US military bases and South Korea has 8 US bases. There are also several bases located in Australia as well as Wake Island which is a large US protectorate and military air base. It is also necessary to define the unit types for each country including unit names, cost to build, combat strengths (attack and defence), hit points, range (movement allowance), transport capacity and collateral damage etc. These are all unit properties familiar to seasoned atWar players. There is also a requirement to define at which turn in the scenario a particular unit type is available. This will mostly apply to US units. For example, it is unlikely that all, or even most, of the US Aircraft Carriers will be available to the US on turn one of the scenario. Similarly there are going to be other US units that arrive as reinforcements after turn one.

The next requirement is to define the Order of Battle of the units including their start points or locations on turn one. There are several web pages that identify current locations of military units. One example of this is a web page called the US Navy Warships Tracker.

The final requirement is to define the Resource Centre locations and income levels for all cities, military (land) bases, naval bases, air bases and other resource locations included in the game/scenario. For example, there are Russian oil resources centres available to the PRC along the Russian border. Unlike most of the atWar games, there will be significant forces available to each side on turn one. There will also be a limited number of units that can be built each build turn as reinforcements. Resource Centres will also define which units can be produced in a particular resource centre and which units can not. For example, F-35 Lightning II units can not be produced in PRC resource centres.

Finally, my goal in developing the Asymmetric Warfare is to develop a game/scenario that is as accurate as possible. There is no balance to this game. It is very obvious from what I have read so far that the US is superior in every way to the PRC both in the number of units at the start of the game, production capacity (resources) as well as the ability to build units (reinforcements) during the game. Having said this, the continental US is a long way from Taiwan, more than 10,000 kilometers, while China is extremely close to Taiwan at less than 160 kilometers. This is a huge discrepancy and one that the PRC will need to exploit if they are to be successful.

If you have thoughts or suggestions on the game/scenario and its design, let me know either by a Reply or by atWar message.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Commodus, Founding Leader, Niki

1. The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan, Center for Strategic and International Studies, page 1.
2. The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan, Center for Strategic and International Studies, page 3.

I want to compare this situation to another game, from a business perspective.

There was a Yu-Gi-Oh-style game hosted by a Canadian developer that had a really promising feature everyone was excited about when it first launched in beta. But for five years, that feature remained in beta, never fully released—just a few teaser images of how it might look. Just like this game, it had a great community, but also its share of issues. People got banned, and over time the game slowly died out. The owner had the same ego and vision you seem to have. And guess what happened? Konami released a new version, and the original developer had to shut down his game—bad leadership, slow updates, and a dying player base took it down.

This game is giving me the same vibes. A developer with a big ego, no major updates in years, a fading community... Don't be surprised if someone else creates a similar game and everything people invested here becomes worthless.

We can disagree on many things, but one thing's clear: the current state of the game is awful, and we all see it.

I understand you might not have the time to work on new features.
I understand you may not want to unban certain players for what they did—but it's been three years.

At the very least, you can try to save the community and give this game a second chance to grow again.

As for xBugs—we played years ago when he was around rank 7. I'm not his biggest fan because his ego might actually be bigger than yours, but I can't deny he's smart and could do a lot to help the game. Did he cheat? Yes. Would he do it again if unbanned? I honestly don't think so. I don't even know if we'd end up playing again, but you get the point.

And Pavle? He's no saint either. He used the range bug (a cheat), and nothing happened. I even beat him 2:1 in a tourney, and he accused me of lying and claimed it was 1:1—even though I had all the evidence. Still, he remained a support and never got banned.

Here's my suggestion:
Do a hard reset. Unban everyone. Give people a second chance. Try to revive the community, because you're not attracting new players—and even if you do, without the experienced ones around, the game will feel empty and boring to newcomers.

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 06:41

Napsáno Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:29

First of all waffel, you dont know shit about the reasons i resigned. You dont know shit about the way I was as a mod, what m'y opinions are or what I was saying in mod forum

I dont want to argue with you, but your perception of m'y rôle in atwar décline IS Silly

Me having a Big mouth might be a problem but i had nothing to do with most of the décisions that provoked this décline. Ask Nero if you dont trust me. I Never permabanned anyone (except one Guy who was IP fishing).

That being said, it was a mistake to ban all these players due to spam and forum posts, perman ban waffel or chill guys liké Lion was wrong, even Lao who i Never liked, Never deserved that treatment, to Say thé least.

It's another mistake to keep the bans now, general pardon IS needed

Dave it's Time to show that you have a big heart and let this nerds enjoy a truly Amazing game and sherish their souvenirs.

Kaska you're my favorite Frenchman on atWar, but I still can't agree with you.

To be honest I don't even remember banning Waffel, but I guess I must have. As you can see I haven't banned his alt or even deleted his messages, even though they are dumb. I'm tolerating his presence.

What Lion did was unforgivable. Not only did he break my trust, he's made no compensation for the damage he caused. He did apologize which I appreciated, but that didn't undo the damage. So I really can't believe how you support him.

As for the rest, there are really very few people who we bother to keep out of here. I know several who were either banned back in 2021, or deleted their own accounts, who have come back on alts. As long as they don't bother anybody I look the other way and let them play. Not everybody, but several.

They painting you out to be this evil guy who won't change his mind about banned players when it is simply not true. You and the mods didn't have to remove my permaban back during the pandemic, but you did

It literally never happened before, also I reached rank 11

It really is time to bring back Laochra, but please ban Waffle even harder, we don't need that parasite lurking around and looking for pathetic execuses to demand attention. That parasite literally did nothing for 9 years

Well sorry to tell you this Dave but youre making a Big mistake here.

Whole Qanon community is so obsessed with Trump as savior, while he is actually the SATAN PERSONALY!

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 17:02

Napsáno Palmitas, 07.04.2025 at 16:06

He apologized and it was one moment that resulted in nothing as it was all saved in a backup.

There was no backup of Discord. He permanently deleted it. All those years of content are gone forever. That's not "nothing".

The fucking audacity to ONLY reply to that part of my message and ignore the entirety of it, aswell as the other one. It feels like im talking to a brick wall.

w.e, I know making you angry will not help in any shape or form to get what we, as a community, want from you. Which seems simple, but apparently isn't. I'm really getting on my nerves (Croat style)

I miss ivan and Amok , game went to shit

Well, this thread has certainly gained traction.

This is my (unwarranted?) two cents on the issue. Working in law has given me insight into the impulse to punish as a means of deterrence, which is entirely valid. Historically, punishment has been regarded as the most effective way to discourage unwanted behavior.

However, the legal system also incorporates statutes of limitations for good reason. If we imprisoned people indefinitely, our correctional facilities would quickly reach capacity.
After 4-5 years, it's reasonable to conclude that the point has been made. While punishments help maintain social order, second chances make our communities more humane and livable.

The competitive community is barely surviving, and realistically, extending second chances to players might breathe new life into what once united enthusiasts across the board. You can always reinstate bans if necessary, but taking a measured risk to improve the game's ecosystem seems like a reasonable gamble.

Consider that growth often comes from our willingness to reevaluate rigid positions. The strongest communities aren't those that punish forever, but those that create pathways for genuine rehabilitation and reintegration. At some point, we must ask ourselves what matters more: maintaining the permanence of old decisions or fostering an environment where people can demonstrate they've changed. The game's future might depend on our answer.

Looks cool, Ill check it out

Napsáno Acidus, 24.03.2025 at 11:05

Napsáno b2spirit, 17.03.2025 at 03:16

(D*ve's fault)

LMFAO
man idk what happened to the game in these last few years but this is so funny

its somehow still on life support

Dave,

I think it goes without saying at this point—everyone has already shared their thoughts on the current state of the game: the players you've refused to unban, the slow pace of improvements, and the steady decline in activity. However, I'd like to comment on one particular aspect.

A true leader knows when to acknowledge a mistake. And if you're looking for examples, some of the most respected CEOs—like those of Microsoft or Apple—have publicly admitted when they've made the wrong call. That's not weakness, that's humility. I say this with the utmost respect: I hope you take a moment to genuinely reflect.

Even users often labeled as toxic or disruptive—like Kaska—have recognized that the mass banning of players has gone too far. And honestly, if someone like me, who used to be known for toxic behavior in duels and clan wars, can admit it was time to grow up and stop playing the victim, I believe change is possible. I had to take a "forced vacation" myself, and I now recognize how counterproductive that attitude was.

As Kaska suggested, why not simply unban those users but mute them from everything except private messages? What real harm could they do? If you give them a second chance, many of them might return—and with them, activity could increase again. We could even experiment with fresh concepts: maybe an "ancient season," or a rotation of never-before-seen maps. As we all know, atWar has near-infinite creative potential.

And if time or resources are the problem, subcontracting is always an option. Outsourcing some work to experienced developers—say, from Mexico or India—could go a long way. Believe me, as a business and process consultant, I say this from experience.

As many have said, an event where you make Waffel super admin or I don't know, something innovative while simply AIing the game or fixing bugs in the maps. And on the topic of Lion nuking the discord, please Dave, it's not like it was the end of the world. I bet Croat or someone else who had the power to do that over a little tantrum could have done it.

It's time to move into the future, even games that were abandonware are reviving thanks to the community, you need a real community manager for the game and maybe, dedicate yourself to the technical, marketing and business issues of the game and believe me many people in the community would be happy to help as it was in that era when Alois and not a certain bug abuser was the head supporter.

I know I'm repeating things others have already pointed out, but I still felt it was worth adding my two cents to the conversation.

Too much words not reading

I want to see you react to this post 3 years later and see if the "plan" was what you thought it would be

Napsáno Kaska, 07.04.2025 at 20:11

(Also waffel, Fuck you)

Well at least on this we agree. It's a beginning

Napsáno ChadTiger, 07.04.2025 at 19:44

This forum has been one of the best things that had happened in atwar recently. It actually has sparked activity in the game and revealed there is hope for this game. After reading all the post made I have come to a simple decision. There are a lot of players still willing to play but they are banned or mad at Dave. The Lion situation is one that constantly haunts this game, it is over a joke, Lion being young and stupid deleted a dead discord server. Maybe it's time Dave to consider unbanning him. He could be a asset to this game the few weeks he played there were CWs 2v2 old players having fun competing it was a blast for a new player hungry to learn. Then 1 day I logged on his alt was banned. Consequently 2v2s and 3v3s died and CWs stopped happening. Dave you said that Lion destroyed important discord stuff, but you are wrong discord has nothing to offer it's experienced players give nuggets and nurturing younger players so when they leave there is a new generation to carry the game. I have become a lot better player from the short time I new Lion he encouraged me and helped me become better and also created games. Also I can say the same for Temp and Khauman. You can do all you want to this game and spend all the money you want on advertising, but it will be futile because there is nothing to keep players hooked. I'm adding this in not as a jest, but as a insight there is a old prestige forum that is more active then this game with player talking having fun and reminiscing the old times. It is also more active then the Atwar official discord that hasn't had a active conversation in 2 years so Lion Sins delete wasn't even major. So please consider letting him come back as a player not as a MOD, and see how the game flourish. Trust me if you started lifting banneds on main accounts CWs and the game would get so much more active. Also your advertising money would go to use because you would actually be able to get players to stay. I also want to thank everyone who helped me from Tungston, Lion, Temp, Khauman, Waffel, CaptainWF, and Palm you made the game fun and it's the only reason I play .

I appreciate your feedback and I do hear you, even if I don't 100% agree with you. Thank you for being kind and respectful.

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 20:37

Napsáno YourSphinx, 07.04.2025 at 19:40

I do have a few ideas on how to give this game a bit of juice, maybe I'll communicate through our favorite German mod.

If you heil him he can give you my personal discord.

He gets mad when I do that

Napsáno YourSphinx, 07.04.2025 at 19:40

I do have a few ideas on how to give this game a bit of juice, maybe I'll communicate through our favorite German mod.

If you heil him he can give you my personal discord.

Napsáno Waffelo, 07.04.2025 at 19:12

Oh wow, I can't believe that I'm actually reading this Dave

So out of ALL of what I've wrote, this is what you're going to be nitpicking about? Two minor details of a very big picture that has been portrayed before you by not just me.......

Yes because you type too much. I don't have time to read all that. Especially when you start off with a bunch of false crap.

Napsáno Palmitas, 07.04.2025 at 16:06

He apologized and it was one moment that resulted in nothing as it was all saved in a backup.

There was no backup of Discord. He permanently deleted it. All those years of content are gone forever. That's not "nothing".

Napsáno HORSEARCHER99, 07.04.2025 at 16:08

Servers down many times in the last few weeks or they very slow laggy

Well it was exactly like I predicted.....

Napsáno Dave, 07.04.2025 at 06:23

I hate to even mention his name, because now it'll only be a few hours until he crawls out of wherever he is and replies from some new alt.....

Like not even an hour after that he showed up and wrote a bunch of posts. I deleted and banned. Immediately after that server started getting ddos'd.

His behavior hasn't changed for 5+ years and counting. So predictable.

Napsáno Metyu, 04.04.2025 at 05:54

Napsáno Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:14

Napsáno b2spirit, 17.03.2025 at 00:15

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Nice necropost

Necropost? It was never fixed.

He's using a post from 4 years ago to bitch about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this post.

Guess it's time to lock the thread.

Napsáno KYBL, 06.04.2025 at 21:34

Joined in 2011, this game was high school for me. Stopped playing in 2016, came back during the pandemic but by that point the game was largely dead. Still come back to fuck around with the maps while listening to podcasts or something.

And agreed with Nero on the safe space stuff. A war-based strategy game is always going to attract the type of people who are interested in geopolitics, and therefore geopolitical banter. It's what made the community what it was.

I definitely don't think atWar is a "safe space", and I wouldn't want it to be!

Napsáno Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:29

First of all waffel, you dont know shit about the reasons i resigned. You dont know shit about the way I was as a mod, what m'y opinions are or what I was saying in mod forum

I dont want to argue with you, but your perception of m'y rôle in atwar décline IS Silly

Me having a Big mouth might be a problem but i had nothing to do with most of the décisions that provoked this décline. Ask Nero if you dont trust me. I Never permabanned anyone (except one Guy who was IP fishing).

That being said, it was a mistake to ban all these players due to spam and forum posts, perman ban waffel or chill guys liké Lion was wrong, even Lao who i Never liked, Never deserved that treatment, to Say thé least.

It's another mistake to keep the bans now, general pardon IS needed

Dave it's Time to show that you have a big heart and let this nerds enjoy a truly Amazing game and sherish their souvenirs.

Kaska you're my favorite Frenchman on atWar, but I still can't agree with you.

To be honest I don't even remember banning Waffel, but I guess I must have. As you can see I haven't banned his alt or even deleted his messages, even though they are dumb. I'm tolerating his presence.

What Lion did was unforgivable. Not only did he break my trust, he's made no compensation for the damage he caused. He did apologize which I appreciated, but that didn't undo the damage. So I really can't believe how you support him.

As for the rest, there are really very few people who we bother to keep out of here. I know several who were either banned back in 2021, or deleted their own accounts, who have come back on alts. As long as they don't bother anybody I look the other way and let them play. Not everybody, but several.

Napsáno Ghostface, 04.04.2025 at 11:39

I think dave surrounded himself with the wrong people and whats worse he trusted them and gave them power, which is normal actually the most power hungry people are the ones to make it and then use that power how they want
like Stalin in the Ussr he didnt rule it for so long by being a great statesman for sure , and reading by the comments here on sid u can draw a pretty good parallel, ban dissenters and surround urself with puppets and yes-men.
These are ppl that dont really care about the good of the game but their own ego , if everyone was against them they would permaban everyone destroy the community and leave themselves too just in spite. (which kinda happened already)
If dave thinks hes flawless and hasnt made a single wrong decision in picking staff , bans or whatever then hes an egoist too and theres simply no point to argue about that.
Marking people as toxic and permabanning is also illogical cus who decides who is toxic or not its not a logical measurement , and id bet if u made an anyonymous poll about dave , sid croat or whoever majority would mark them as toxic too.
Many years ago i remember reading the forum drama of croat vs CE, which was some of the funniest banter ive ever read but if that happened today the posts and threads would be deleted, croat would be called toxic,racist and permabaned maybe and CE too as well which puts todays situation in perspective , its probably why nowadays theres not much discussion going on in forums anyway since they have been "sterilized" of toxicity.
Banning or permaban ppl for cheating is k , but permabaning bugs for cheating while slapping pavle on the wrist for the same thing and letting him keep supporter status , id rather u just come and take a crap on my head
than doing this kangaroo court stuff.

I am definitely not flawless.

I've made my share of mistakes. I made Lion a supporter, for example, and gave him access to the official atWar Discord. He repaid my trust in him by nuking said Discord. Obviously that was a bad staff pick on my part. (And this is the guy people want unbanned? Never going to happen.... but I digress.)

On the other hand do I think it was a mistake to ban people who came at me personally? No. Don't come into my house and insult me and then be surprised when I throw you out. (This is how I look at atWar. It's not a democracy!)

You're right in one way though -- it's practically impossible to have a logical measurement of who is "toxic" or not. I don't have any problem with the "toxic banter", I even enjoy it too sometimes. There is a line somewhere that gets crossed and it's hard to say exactly where it is, except usually you just know it because people go waaaaay past it. I think its fair to say this was one of the things we struggled with the most in the moderation team -- figuring out where to draw the line in many different situations.

A lot of moderation decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, and there are very often facts that influence our decisions that we don't discuss publicly. Bugs for example was banned for a lot more than just cheating, and I'm not going to go into it even now. (And I hate to even mention his name, because now it'll only be a few hours until he crawls out of wherever he is and replies from some new alt.....) I'm not condoning Pavle but he was punished appropriately and I believe he's learned his lesson. Those 2 situations are not even close to the same thing.