Greek theatre in EU parlament

We all need to take a break, it went too far.

Napsáno RaulPB, 12.03.2016 at 12:56

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

We lasted as a Power way more than you peeps did. by 1705 you were a mere pluricontinental state

So what? What did you possess that was big/powerful enough to make a difference? Nothing. Simply a couple islands and some land here and there with no importance besides the comercial routes.

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

Also, we've had a bigger impact on history than Spain did.

No you haven't... XD

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

1/3 of the world was discovered by Portuguese people (We also discovered Australia 100 years before the dutch and 200 years before Cook

Yup, you discovered Cabo de Buena Esperanza. Congratz for that. We discovered America. Now tell me, which was a bigger deal in history? The american discovery and colonization or the discovery and colonization of a couple cities in Africa? And what if you discovered Australia? You didn't leave any heritage there... it was useless of you to discover it.

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

We indeed had a major impact on the current ethnicities of American continent, with the slave traffic

Yup, one of the two only things I commented before. This and trading routes. Anyway, it's not like you should be proud of this... and it's not that big of a deal compared to other stuff in history.

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

We invented/upgraded from the moors most of the maritime tools used in the Descobrimentos era

Yup, great for you but you know what? That's not a big deal in history either. The biggest fleets were those from Spain and UK. UK is the one famous for its navy along history, not your little inventions... ofc, they might be useful and all that, but don't compare that to the popularity of UK's navy. Not many people will recognice you as a great navy power.

Btw, we invented submarines XD

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

We were the first europeans to drink tea and the first to arrive in Japan and give them weapons.

Cool. Now, repercussions of this? Yeah, minimum, cause no one cares and no one knows.

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

+ we didn't anihilate natives like Spain did.

So? You killed slaves. Anyway, at least we're recognized for something that left a mark in history, even if I'm not proud of it and it was some terrifying thing to do.

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

Yes we had a bigger impact in some areas than Spain ever did.

Areas being which?

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:38

If you outshined us it was due to your Iberian dimension and superiority in some aspects, yet you're greatness fell long before ours did. Portugal was the last European Empire to exist, ending in 1999 with the transfer of Macau.

Yeah... nope. Your greatness has never been recognized. At least, not in an international level. So what if you had a little area in some far away place? LOL You still didn't leave nearly any worthy mark in world history. In the little time we were a superpower, we did more than you in all this time you claim you were a power yourself.

You're a nice neighbour and all that, don't get me wrong, but... come on, even Spain, which is a looser throughout history, did more than Portugal.

Columbus was Portuguese tho, and Fernão de Magalhaes did the first circumnavigation of the world.
We discovered South America also, Canada, Asia, and the full extension of the african continent. Also we were the first to establish europe-china contacts.

We still have a mark throughout the world, in India, in South America, in America, Canada, etc.. with our portuguese communities, in Southeast Asia, where there's a Burmanese native people that descend from the Portuguese settlers there.


And I guess we can consider Spain and Portugal losers throughout history

Napsáno RaulPB, 12.03.2016 at 12:35

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 12.03.2016 at 11:19

well, portugal is famous to be the first colonial nation to lose its languange and have brazil be the nation everyone thinks about when you say "portuguese"

LOL that exactly makes portugal unknown. Everyone be like: Portugal? What's that? I only know of Brazil... Portugal, surpassed by his own colony...

If you think about it, it's a bit sad... your own colony is stealing your language/culture.

i was being sarcastic

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:41

Spanish (european) is inferior to the Spanish from the ex-colonies

LOL the only way in which Spanish in Spain is inferior is in quantity. Nothing else XD I don't know where you get that notion from...

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 12:41

I doubt European Spanish is even taught in American schools for example, I also fear to say whenever you ask someone outside of europe if they know Spanish they'd straight away think about Mexican Spanish.

Yup, typical USA IQ. When they are asked about Spain, they confuse it with Mexico. What can I do about them? As if I gave a single fuck about USA. They have, for the most part, american teachers. So they will obviously be influenced by the mexican spanish. And now you're generalizing what happens in USA to what happens in all the world? pathetic XD we all know how egocentric USA is...

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 13:18

Columbus was Portuguese tho

Woahhhhhh staph right there!!!!!!!! Who the fuck taught you that????? Seriously, where the fuck do you get this from?

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 13:18

And I guess we can consider Spain and Portugal losers throughout history

Agreed, neighbour losers, together in good and bad times ,in joy and tears XD

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 12.03.2016 at 13:25

i was being sarcastic

It isn't that sarcastic nor funny when brazilian claims to be its own language...

Portugal invented the caravel, which was essential to crossing any ocean since it's a ship that doesn't depend on the wind. Without the caravel, Spain wouldn't have discovered America. Also Portugal's explorers were Portuguese, while Spain's were Italian, Basque and idk what else other than Spanish. And Portuguese spread firearms to Japan, which were used by Oda Nobunaga and his successor Toyotomi Hideyoshi to unite Japan. Furthermore, Portugal helped spread many goods from the Orient to Europe, such as Britain's beloved tea, thus changing European culture forever.

Napsáno Zephyrusu, 12.03.2016 at 15:02

Portugal invented the caravel, which was essential to crossing any ocean since it's a ship that doesn't depend on the wind. Without the caravel, Spain wouldn't have discovered America. Also Portugal's explorers were Portuguese, while Spain's were Italian, Basque and idk what else other than Spanish. And Portuguese spread firearms to Japan, which were used by Oda Nobunaga and his successor Toyotomi Hideyoshi to unite Japan. Furthermore, Portugal helped spread many goods from the Orient to Europe, such as Britain's beloved tea, thus changing European culture forever.

Thanks for wasting your time instead of mine to defend my culture against some ignorant spaniard (Raul <3)

Al fappino saying comombus was Portuguese is same as fuhrer saying earth is flat.

Sorry fappino that i ever argued with you, i didnt knew you were just as ignorant and retard as fuhrer. Ill keep that in mind for future reference

Napsáno Zephyrusu, 12.03.2016 at 15:02

Portugal invented the caravel, which was essential to crossing any ocean since it's a ship that doesn't depend on the wind. Without the caravel, Spain wouldn't have discovered America. Also Portugal's explorers were Portuguese, while Spain's were Italian, Basque and idk what else other than Spanish. And Portuguese spread firearms to Japan, which were used by Oda Nobunaga and his successor Toyotomi Hideyoshi to unite Japan. Furthermore, Portugal helped spread many goods from the Orient to Europe, such as Britain's beloved tea, thus changing European culture forever.

Fuck yeah, this is what I woud call an exquisite explanation, pls marry me!!
I just wanna point one thing: Basque is Spanish (just thought to highlight that cause you seem to exclude it from Spain ). We did have Spanish explorers, it's just that we had some money so foreigners came to us in order to ask for funding (for instance, Columbus (Italian), who had asked other countries for funding before but got rejected; poor guy).

Send khal there

Napsáno AlBoZzZ, 12.03.2016 at 15:32

Al fappino saying comombus was Portuguese is same as fuhrer saying earth is flat.

Sorry fappino that i ever argued with you, i didnt knew you were just as ignorant and retard as fuhrer. Ill keep that in mind for future reference

I'm not as retarded as Fuehrer is, I'm pointing out something: There are debates whether Columbus was Portuguese, Genoan or Spanish.

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 15:58

Napsáno AlBoZzZ, 12.03.2016 at 15:32

Al fappino saying comombus was Portuguese is same as fuhrer saying earth is flat.

Sorry fappino that i ever argued with you, i didnt knew you were just as ignorant and retard as fuhrer. Ill keep that in mind for future reference

I'm not as retarded as Fuehrer is, I'm pointing out something: There are debates whether Columbus was Portuguese, Genoan or Spanish.

Now you sound more retarded

Napsáno AlBoZzZ, 12.03.2016 at 16:28

Napsáno Al Fappino, 12.03.2016 at 15:58

Napsáno AlBoZzZ, 12.03.2016 at 15:32

Al fappino saying comombus was Portuguese is same as fuhrer saying earth is flat.

Sorry fappino that i ever argued with you, i didnt knew you were just as ignorant and retard as fuhrer. Ill keep that in mind for future reference

I'm not as retarded as Fuehrer is, I'm pointing out something: There are debates whether Columbus was Portuguese, Genoan or Spanish.

Now you sound more retarded

Says the shit cleaner

Napsáno Acquiesce, 12.03.2016 at 11:43

What contributions have Albanians made to our world again?

They gave us the serial killer Corrambo who kills his victims by forum quote

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 12.03.2016 at 04:01

well, saying "we will flood europe with immigrants" doesnt really sound peaceful either and i think you know that, right? it was tsipras strategy at some point and it didnt work.

You want to talk about peacefull? Check the islands and our ports which are being utterly destroyed, by a wave of foreign people we CANNOT handle. In a country where unemployment is at 25%, 60 % for youth and our whole gdp (which is shrinking) relies on tourism, some islands have reached 90% tourist reservation cancelations. Greece was forced to pull all of Europe's weight on the immigrant crisis, just close your mouth.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 12.03.2016 at 04:01

now, whats hypocritical about the EU?

Is this a joke? What do you want, a book?

How about the very fact, that it betrayed and pissed on the foundations on which it was built on. Supposedly to defend and promote the values and interests of its citizens and member states, whereas it did nothing of the short, just became a pawn for the US foreign policy makers and the banks, at the expense of the member states it was supposed to protect. Solidarity? Cooperation? Democratic values? A joke.

And you want to talk about hypocrisy? How about the fact that Europe policy is designed to favour the Northern countries, while they are pissing on the South? Do you know theres regulation that compensates the agricultural sector of countries of the North in the event of floods, but theres no regulation for drought, for the Southern ones? Just one example.

Or maybe the brilliant "refugees should declare themselves in the first Union country they enter". Very convenient, for lets say, NorthWestern EU coutries, huh? You get to shit all over Middle East with your active involvement through foreign policy, and by you meaning Germany, Uk, France and Italy? and then we (whole EU) get to pay the price for it. Moreso, you publicly called for refugees to fill your factories with cheap workers and by you, i mean Germany and now all the South is a mess. Why do we have to pay for your shitty mistakes?

Since we talk about foreign policy, it seems crucial to point out Western involvement in Ukraine, the work of the ECB there, the political mess EU helped create and in a nuttshell how Europe helped destroy a fellow Eastern European country, by actively supporting fascist elements. So much for Eurpean democratic ideals. Or how about the sanctions to Russia? Do you think hindering the business/economic and social relations between Russia and Eu and create geopolitical tension, is in the interests of European citizens, European businesses and European member states? I wont answer that.

Since we are talking about foreign policy, it also seems crucial to point out how Europe never intervened in the Cyprus crisis, to protect a basic member state which was under invasion. Its also very important to note that Europe did not back Greece against Turkey, in all their territorial disputes, they let USA interfere and lead on a conflict in the heart of Europe, the Serbia- Albania one and let them bomb Serbia to the stone age, breaking multiple international laws and UN resolutions. I guess INTERNATIONAL LAW is to be respected only in the events of Russia or Middle East breaking it and does not apply when Europe or US break it.

Anyway, that was part of another plan, has to do with the pipelines, thats why Eu policy supported Albania, Macedonia and Turkey at the expense of Serbia and Greece, so they have a clear route. Offcourse, all in the interests of the big international corporations and banks and never of the citizens.

Talking about banks and hypocrisy, heres an interesting fact. Germany, who by the way directly influenced some of the characteristics of the ECB, the bank formal independence, its single policy goal of price stability, the prohibition on purchasing bonds from member governments, the location in Frankfurt etc also forced the creation of a stability agreement that established financial penalties for any country that had a budget deficit of more than three percent of its GDP or a debt that exceeded 60 percent of its GDP.

Heres when it gets interesting. When FRANCE and GERMANY soon VIOLATED these conditions, (meaning they overspent and their budget deficits exceeded 3% of their gdp) the Council of Ministers voted NOT TO IMPOSE THOSE PENALTIES, and the terms of the pact were weakened so that they became meaningless.
The Commission leader, former Italian Prime Minister, Romano Prodi states " I had not enough power. I tried and they told me to shut up"

See a pattern here? Germany and France are allowed to brake the same rules they forced upon the rest of the member states. But god forbid, if weaker states do something of the short.

Anyway i can keep talking all day, about the Euro, how it was doomed to fail, which member states it served and which got tricked and forced into joining it, about Ecb's monetary policy tailored to suit Germanys needs and sending Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy to the gutter,

Germanys historical amnesia, where it forgets the ressemblance of the Mou's it forced upon Greece with the Traty of Versallies it was forced upon her and the results of it, forgets that whole Europe paid to rebuild Germany, forget Germanys debt write-off, forgets that even though Greece wanted to remain neutral in ww2, sustained one of the heaviest damage to its economy and infastructure (more than 50%) from the Nazi's, or the forced Nazi loans, where Greece was forced to fund Romell's activities in North Africa with it and use her own food to feed German soldiers while her people starved to death,

or economic and humanitarian blindness, like the modern anti-humane (and failed) austerity measures, the "recovery/rescue/economic policies" plan for Greece of Brussel's technocrats, IMF and Frankfurt/London bankers that sent Greece to 25% gdp drop, same and more in wages, same and more in unemployment, the Media lies, the propaganda, the fake, lying, populist rhetoric and lecture about fiscal responsibility, when institutions themselves are following a failed economic recovery model, plunge countries further into debt, provide "bailout packages" that go directly to the banks and not the people and push for privetizations so big corporations can buy airports, ports, railroads, natural resources and healthy state enterprizes worth billions, for pennies,

when at the same time, do you know what policies the institutions are implementing in Greece? REGULATING MILK.Not even fucking kidding, they pass policies to extend the expiration date for milk cartons, counting as "fresh" so dairy products from the North, Netherlands, Germany etc can travel all the way to Greece and still get labeled fresh. This is what Europe deems "fundamental economic policies and reformation" to get Greece out of the crisis.

Or how about corruption, that is becoming a serious widespread problem in EU. The recent report claimed something like 200 billion lost, due to corruption. The researcher claimed the real number would be more than double and his request to expand his research in the subject of corruption in the European Institutions, guess what, was denied! Now make another guess, how much is the budget for the European anti-corruption agency? Wrong, its just something in the likes of 30-40 million!

Anyway, too much words, it is clear that the number one casualty, apart from all the individuals who suffer the effects of European policy, is the democratic process, since bankers and the fund assume by blackmail, the authority to dictate social policy and not only. European institutions as i said, are a joke, Serving the interests of the big corporations, banks and international foreign policy makers, while the Euro is crumbling and Europe as a whole is very close to collapsing on herself. The neo liberal plan of the oligarchs is working and the saddest thing of all, is that intelligent individuals like you are convinced. I dont really blame you with all the propaganda flying around.

Famous economist Stiglitz put it nicely "The real deficit in Europe, is a "democratic deficit."

(The same Stiglitz who after a recent panel at Columbia University with Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble followed by a dinner, said, "My heart goes out to Greece, even more so after
meeting Schäuble.")

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 12.03.2016 at 04:01

and you know who pays? the people pay, according to their wealth, so germans pay for it, thank you for being a huge asshole biting the hand thats trying to somehow make you not upset while giving you as much money as somehow possible.

Poor Germans, yeah, lets all take a fucking minute for the country that has a 200 billion trade surplus at the expense of 200 billion trade deficit for the rest of us. Lets all be silent for a minute, to contemplate the tragic unfolding of events, after the introduction of the Euro and ECB policies, that pushed Germany to the top of the food chain and made it a superpower, enjoying the highest stadards of living in Europe, while Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Ireland took a one way journey to debt-land and 3rd worlding.

Its not like ECB is doing this to keep their failed experiment from crushing on their heads, right?Its not like Germany ever gained anything from this failed experiment, right? Hypocrite.




As for the giving us money? Theres this tiny detail. We dont fucking want it. We want out of the euro, like all of the leading, unbiased economists and common sense, suggests. We dont want your fucking money, that never even reach us and instead go straight to the banks. We dont want your fucking policies that make our debt and suicides grow and wages, unemployment, competitiveness, and investments shrink.

No thanks, we would like our own currency and out of the Euro. Stop forcing us to "take" your money, stop threatening us with Europe exit and even Shengen exit and let us fucking out. Thank you.


P.S. I really hate arguing about the Greek crisis with Northerners, mainly because i get filled with anger rage, which is a toxic feeling i prefer to stay away from and i end up sounding like a passionate nationalist, which im not. I tend to avoid it and as you remember i ve ignored a couple of your past attempts to open the subject. Its not like it leads anywhere, in the end the way i see it, we accept our part in the Europe crisis and our mistakes and we do suffer the consequences, but we cannot accept lies, propaganda, hypocrisy, proven as failures merkelnomic policies, thieving "bail-out packages" and the inability and denial of the institutions and Germany to accept their own share of responsibilities and mistakes. Ive spent all the time i was willing on this, pretty sure i left plenty of out and my case was sloppy so whatever i didnt say with words ill say with sources (dont expect me to add [/url] to these, i might be unemployed but i still value my time )

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TL;DR just came here to upvote khal

Wonder how long it took him to write that
Also, that's a lot of links.
It's the biggest single post I've ever seen except Learster's MoS Guide, and for that it deserves an upvote.
Nice debate skills khal

This is better than croat vs tito vs andertes

Napsáno Khal.eesi, 13.03.2016 at 07:51

incredibly long text

pls marry me

Napsáno Khal.eesi, 13.03.2016 at 07:51

I dont really blame you with all the propaganda flying around.

Omg everyone accuse EU/USA for propaganda these days!

Napsáno Khal.eesi, 13.03.2016 at 07:51

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 12.03.2016 at 04:01

well, saying "we will flood europe with immigrants" doesnt really sound peaceful either and i think you know that, right? it was tsipras strategy at some point and it didnt work.

just explain me why you are even debating with him,eveyone knows he is brainwashed by propaganda.

Napsáno Khal.eesi, 13.03.2016 at 07:51

10 likes in less than a day, holy shit, ranting about one of the few institutions that keep us from starting another huge european war, bigger than any war we have seen before seems to be a very commong thing :S

well, i actually before made a post wich proves most of your points wrong and you didnt respond to that, but because you put quite a lot of effort into this post, i guess i wont be such a dick to just copy paste something.

you inbetween made some statements, after talking about them, i will get to the main point, the economy and the most recent immigrant crisis.
first of all, you stated, how germany was involved in ruining the middle east, etc. etc. wich is not true, anyone who was born before 2000 should know, that germany didnt participate in the iraq wars, together with germany, while the rest of the EU did. and we never set a foot into syria either, simply because syria is nothing we ever cared about, because, why would we. also, the german army is a small restricted army in a horrible condition anyways, even if we wanted to, we couldnt fuck anything up :S.

the second point, how europe, according to you, installed a fourth reich in the ukraine is obviously made up, we exclusively gave money to a democratically elected governement. besides, russian seperatists in the ukraine who are russian soldiers in disguise arent really that peaceful either.

next country on your list is cyprus, and i have to be honest, i am surprised you bring up a war from 1974 in a country that joined the EU 2004, three decades later. Even if cyprus had been in the EU, the EU is not a militairy union, unlike the nato and turkey is a member of the nato, wich no eu countries wont declare war on, because most eu states are members of the nato anyways and luxemburg wont declare war on the USA. besides, the us had a un mandate, but i'm not going to claim, that anything the US has ever done was right, they fucked up some stuff pretty badly.

ok, yea, we prefer albania and macedonia over greece simply because we hate greece



okay, and now you claim that germany and france were the first ones who broke the most basic economic rules to join the eurozone, when greece JOINED the eurozone with faked data and was breaking these rules from the start, while germany started breaking the rules in 2008 when the economy crisis started.

yea, bring up war reperations from a war that happend 75 years ago, you know, greece actually never paid the ottomanes for destroying their empire, you know how many ottomanes were killed during the greek war for independence? you know how many persians were killed in alexander the greates campaign to destroy one of the most advanced empires of its time? you still didnt pay any war reperations to persia, you asshole.

anyways, back to what you mentioned first, that you are being flooded by immigrants, it's just the result of greece being unwilling to cooperate with anyone else, it could just close its borders now, but before that, greece just sent the immigrants foreward, its not really anyone elses fault. oh and, if you bring up your gdp, just let me show this chart really quick:



just look at how your gdp almost tripled since the introduction of the euro, please, stop, just stop. a great part of economic success is based on cheap working forces, wich immigrants whose education we dont recognize obviously pose, and you are complaining about germany not actively drowning them in the mediterrean sea, wich i am just going to assume is your solution to the problem.

besides, germany accepted 1 million refugees while greece has about a few thousand, we actually cleaned up the mess we made, unlike greece wich in 2001 built a hugely oversized burocracy wich was corrupt and inefficient, more than the eu ever was, with the money greece could lend cheaper than ever, because it had the same currency as germany, france and benelux. with the governement lending so much money, greeces economy flourished, but it all came to an end, when greece stumbled into an economic crisis that brought the country to the bringe of bancrupcy, wich it never had to file though, because europe lended greece money at extremely low intrest rates and just gifted 260 billion euros, wich is more than greeces entire GDP. by now, we are at the point at wich i am arguing with a greek about how a corrupt country is not germanys fucking fault.

so, you just called a german or germany as a whole a hypocrite for doubling your gdp, hypocrite

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

Napsáno Khal.eesi, 13.03.2016 at 07:51

10 likes in less than a day, holy shit, ranting about one of the few institutions that keep us from starting another huge european war, bigger than any war we have seen before seems to be a very commong thing :S

well, i actually before made a post wich proves most of your points wrong and you didnt respond to that, but because you put quite a lot of effort into this post, i guess i wont be such a dick to just copy paste something.

you inbetween made some statements, after talking about them, i will get to the main point, the economy and the most recent immigrant crisis.
first of all, you stated, how germany was involved in ruining the middle east, etc. etc. wich is not true, anyone who was born before 2000 should know, that germany didnt participate in the iraq wars, together with germany, while the rest of the EU did. and we never set a foot into syria either, simply because syria is nothing we ever cared about, because, why would we. also, the german army is a small restricted army in a horrible condition anyways, even if we wanted to, we couldnt fuck anything up :S.

the second point, how europe, according to you, installed a fourth reich in the ukraine is obviously made up, we exclusively gave money to a democratically elected governement. besides, russian seperatists in the ukraine who are russian soldiers in disguise arent really that peaceful either.

next country on your list is cyprus, and i have to be honest, i am surprised you bring up a war from 1974 in a country that joined the EU 2004, three decades later. Even if cyprus had been in the EU, the EU is not a militairy union, unlike the nato and turkey is a member of the nato, wich no eu countries wont declare war on, because most eu states are members of the nato anyways and luxemburg wont declare war on the USA. besides, the us had a un mandate, but i'm not going to claim, that anything the US has ever done was right, they fucked up some stuff pretty badly.

ok, yea, we prefer albania and macedonia over greece simply because we hate greece



okay, and now you claim that germany and france were the first ones who broke the most basic economic rules to join the eurozone, when greece JOINED the eurozone with faked data and was breaking these rules from the start, while germany started breaking the rules in 2008 when the economy crisis started.

yea, bring up war reperations from a war that happend 75 years ago, you know, greece actually never paid the ottomanes for destroying their empire, you know how many ottomanes were killed during the greek war for independence? you know how many persians were killed in alexander the greates campaign to destroy one of the most advanced empires of its time? you still didnt pay any war reperations to persia, you asshole.

anyways, back to what you mentioned first, that you are being flooded by immigrants, it's just the result of greece being unwilling to cooperate with anyone else, it could just close its borders now, but before that, greece just sent the immigrants foreward, its not really anyone elses fault. oh and, if you bring up your gdp, just let me show this chart really quick:



just look at how your gdp almost tripled since the introduction of the euro, please, stop, just stop. a great part of economic success is based on cheap working forces, wich immigrants whose education we dont recognize obviously pose, and you are complaining about germany not actively drowning them in the mediterrean sea, wich i am just going to assume is your solution to the problem.

besides, germany accepted 1 million refugees while greece has about a few thousand, we actually cleaned up the mess we made, unlike greece wich in 2001 built a hugely oversized burocracy wich was corrupt and inefficient, more than the eu ever was, with the money greece could lend cheaper than ever, because it had the same currency as germany, france and benelux. with the governement lending so much money, greeces economy flourished, but it all came to an end, when greece stumbled into an economic crisis that brought the country to the bringe of bancrupcy, wich it never had to file though, because europe lended greece money at extremely low intrest rates and just gifted 260 billion euros, wich is more than greeces entire GDP. by now, we are at the point at wich i am arguing with a greek about how a corrupt country is not germanys fucking fault.

so, you just called a german or germany as a whole a hypocrite for doubling your gdp, hypocrite

one more such idiotic posts and you will make me enter this debate.

Napsáno Oleg, 13.03.2016 at 16:29

you didnt even have time to read the fucking post

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:31

Napsáno Oleg, 13.03.2016 at 16:29

you didnt even have time to read the fucking post

I had.
but if you please,i enter.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

ranting about one of the few institutions that keep us from starting another huge european war, bigger than any war we have seen before seems to be a very commong thing :S

You actually believe this? The European Union is the consequence of peace, not its cause. You have your causalities mixed up

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

10 likes in less than a day, holy shit, ranting about one of the few institutions that keep us from starting another huge european war, bigger than any war we have seen before seems to be a very commong thing :S

Maybe because he was right.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

well, i actually before made a post wich proves most of your points wrong and you didnt respond to that, but because you put quite a lot of effort into this post, i guess i wont be such a dick to just copy paste something.

copy-paste,always like to laugh at some propaganda.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

you inbetween made some statements, after talking about them, i will get to the main point, the economy and the most recent immigrant crisis.
first of all, you stated, how germany was involved in ruining the middle east, etc. etc. wich is not true, anyone who was born before 2000 should know, that germany didnt participate in the iraq wars, together with germany, while the rest of the EU did. and we never set a foot into syria either, simply because syria is nothing we ever cared about, because, why would we. also, the german army is a small restricted army in a horrible condition anyways, even if we wanted to, we couldnt fuck anything up :S.

Lol,everyone who isn't idiotic should tell you that this is lie,german money participated.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

the second point, how europe, according to you, installed a fourth reich in the ukraine is obviously made up, we exclusively gave money to a democratically elected governement. besides, russian seperatists in the ukraine who are russian soldiers in disguise arent really that peaceful either.

How I remember, Bolsheviks were elected too,fascists too.
Lol,did you listen about entering Russian soldiers in Ukraine on BBS?
When I get a 100% real proof about that,i will tell you are right.Btw,you really think that America wouldn't join the war if they had proofs to history after 200 years of today?

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

next country on your list is cyprus, and i have to be honest, i am surprised you bring up a war from 1974 in a country that joined the EU 2004, three decades later. Even if cyprus had been in the EU, the EU is not a militairy union, unlike the nato and turkey is a member of the nato, wich no eu countries wont declare war on, because most eu states are members of the nato anyways and luxemburg wont declare war on the USA. besides, the us had a un mandate, but i'm not going to claim, that anything the US has ever done was right, they fucked up some stuff pretty badly.

Problem with Cyprus is today too,but its frozen by Turkey.
"some"stuff.UN leader should be some peaceful nations,not nations that was in most wars in 21th century.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

ok, yea, we prefer albania and macedonia over greece simply because we hate greece


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Are you joking man?Whole EU made some fences on borders with each other,and you know what refugees can do?THey can suicide or stay in countried that they have came so far.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

yea, bring up war reperations from a war that happend 75 years ago, you know, greece actually never paid the ottomanes for destroying their empire, you know how many ottomanes were killed during the greek war for independence? you know how many persians were killed in alexander the greates campaign to destroy one of the most advanced empires of its time? you still didnt pay any war reperations to persia, you asshole.

Wtf,go kill yourself man,it was war of independence,they mostly were destroying lands they've got at the end idiot.
Lol,now come back at BC years when there was some international laws?i don't think that in that times existed any law.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

anyways, back to what you mentioned first, that you are being flooded by immigrants, it's just the result of greece being unwilling to cooperate with anyone else, it could just close its borders now, but before that, greece just sent the immigrants foreward, its not really anyone elses fault. oh and, if you bring up your gdp, just let me show this chart really quick:

wtf.Did you read this in MerkelToday?

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

just look at how your gdp almost tripled since the introduction of the euro, please, stop, just stop. a great part of economic success is based on cheap working forces, wich immigrants whose education we dont recognize obviously pose, and you are complaining about germany not actively drowning them in the mediterrean sea, wich i am just going to assume is your solution to the problem.

Lol,just give me cover why euro didn't fail?
and what are you telling about now,Greece unemployment is 25% idiot,and you want them to give woprks to someone else.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

besides, germany accepted 1 million refugees while greece has about a few thousand, we actually cleaned up the mess we made, unlike greece wich in 2001 built a hugely oversized burocracy wich was corrupt and inefficient, more than the eu ever was, with the money greece could lend cheaper than ever, because it had the same currency as germany, france and benelux. with the governement lending so much money, greeces economy flourished, but it all came to an end, when greece stumbled into an economic crisis that brought the country to the bringe of bancrupcy, wich it never had to file though, because europe lended greece money at extremely low intrest rates and just gifted 260 billion euros, wich is more than greeces entire GDP. by now, we are at the point at wich i am arguing with a greek about how a corrupt country is not germanys fucking fault.

Lolyou expect from someone else to clean your mess?Germany and USA should take all refugees,not 1m.
Lol,low intersts,all Airports in Greece,very nicely from you.

Napsáno Tirpitz406, 13.03.2016 at 16:25

so, you just called a german or germany as a whole a hypocrite for doubling your gdp, hypocrite

I think that Greece should thank you all Germans for making them bankrupt.

Meanwhile croat and tito hugging each other and enjoying the show

As International once said; 'European nations developed so fast because they always fought each other in decisive wars for millenia. That forced them to study and research, to develop new technologies which will grant them advantage over the enemy.'

Now you want to unite these warring states and open their borders. I wonder how will that end.