31.10.2018 - 18:03
Hey guys, I'm curious to see what everybody else thinks about the strategy changes. I'm myself not a fan, and the admins are also skeptical about this. There have been quite popular threads in the past (and quite a lot of complains when the changes actually happens). I'm willing to make the changes that are less controversial and commonly agreed by a good part of the players, if that helps to alleviate some of the concerns about the staled competitive scene.
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31.10.2018 - 18:13
Good call. updating meta might be frustating to some fans of specific strategies but it has two crucial beniifits 1. Bringing back tired players - I believe after years with minor changes people got sick of dealing with the same anxious things over and over. new meta will provide fresh start for them and bring interest back to the game. 2. Making meta less offensive/start based - will not only have players feel comfrotable trying to adapt to competetive scene but have teamwork and planning aspects matter more than the start you picked or rush/combo you performed. So eventually it help Atwar prosper and hopefully heal the devide between competetive and scenarios scenes. And going off topic if we are already talking about reforms to heal the devide I suggest again to take more steps to encourage non upgrades games and possibly add optional strategies changes just for CWs and duels so we don't have to consider how it will change two of completely diffrent map types.
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31.10.2018 - 18:34
I am more curious as to what the argument for no changes looks like rather than the results of a democracy. What game do we know of that retains players through stagnancy? Examples? Also where was this poll 10 months ago when I gathered 30 upvotes for a series of changes?
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31.10.2018 - 18:52
If it helps, I'll compile a true tier ranking for strategies. I'll just need help doing it, if anyone's interested.
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31.10.2018 - 18:56
Wow does that mean if i get 30 upvotes on somthing its enough for me to make changes :O ~runs to get the alts Would be pretty cool to see some random constant rotation tho every x amount of times between the strats to get ppl off the constant repetition
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31.10.2018 - 19:32
Power Strats(high cost): Sky Menace Master of Stealth. Lucky Bastard Mid-range strats: Desert Storm Perfect defence Great combinator. Iron fist Relentless attack Hybrid Warfare Blitzkrieg Economic strats: Imperialist Guerilla warfare
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31.10.2018 - 19:43
Or we could focus on the entire game as a whole and not just this one select corner
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31.10.2018 - 20:09
What a revelation of an idea. Yes lets do that! Oh wait our admins are using all their limited time on the mapmaker and this is one of the few low time requirement changes they can apply that can make a difference. Any alternative suggestions trystane?
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31.10.2018 - 20:38
Yeah we can Fuck each other in the ass. Get over yourself, we get it you tried to suggest many changes and no one took you seriously. There's no point in making slight changes to the strategies when inreality they need an entire overhaul.
---- Lest we forget Moja Bosna Ponosna
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31.10.2018 - 21:18
He waited untill you left the mod team it was all planned you blady fool
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31.10.2018 - 21:31
No, I meant a definitive meta ranking. IE, what is Tier 0, 1, 2, etc. GW sure may be an economic strat, but it is by far not meta since the nerf. If we can successfully survey, diagnose, and solve the current meta like any other game, we can get a good balance schedule going. We will also need to start producing more, unique strats as well, as well as retooling older ones as power creep inevitably rolls in as it already has. I believe the power creep that would come from Hold the Line for example may even kill the game, hence why more effort needs to be put into this department of thought. But nonetheless; We can't do shit until we can start editing and testing strategies in the test server. It would be really damn nice if we could edit strategies on maps/the live server on the test night so we can simulate and document our findings to make a valid case for buffs/nerfs to these strategies in a confined environment.
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31.10.2018 - 22:17
Can there be an option where its like add and change strats for the poll
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31.10.2018 - 22:20
strats are tiered differently depending on the country in eu+
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01.11.2018 - 04:41
The 2nd part of that post tiers them. I believe it to be pretty accurate. If i were to tier them as youre suggesting all the competitive strats would be tier 1, mos and blitz tier 2, ra and hw tier 3. I think we've hit a wall with new strats in regards the default units. Maybe someone can still come up with something innovative but i havent seen it in recent years. I think a new unit or dimension is needed for new strats. The buildings addition would be interesting but that requires coding according to ivan. I don't think hold the line would function with how the game works. I agree it could be gamebreaking. Scorched earth can never be competitive. Myself and a few other mods have it unlocked. It literally wastes neutrals of their income and spawn as you expand. It just doesnt work. Fun to troll with though.
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01.11.2018 - 13:33
I think we should be looking into new strategies. I would prefer continuity with the current set of strategies because when you go away from the game for a bit, you come back and the meta is completely different due to minor changes. Why not find a balance for them, then move on? Now wait a minute.. before you say "balance isn't possible!" I believe it is if we get down to the statistics of things. I couldnt find it but ik people have made posts in the past comparing strategy statistics. Why not compare all strategies following a stats model, and find out how to balance them all? Then from there, when we brainstorm new strat ideas we can fit them into that model
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01.11.2018 - 13:45
I think, we should make strategies weaker/ stronger depending on how much they have been used. If anyone knows Clash royale, use the same metric system, make popular strats weaker/ unpopular strat stronger in comparison. This way there will be a variety in playing strats and people wont play only one strat. I myself play only LB or even sometimes IF because all other strats are too weak.
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01.11.2018 - 14:38
Remove the strategy system, add perk cards. You pick three each game, each card buffs a unit and nerfs another. Quick example +1attack for main attack units, +10 cost for main defence units.
---- We are not the same- I am a Martian.
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01.11.2018 - 15:02
as awesome as this would be, i feel like this is too dramatic of a change lol
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01.11.2018 - 15:21
i agree , constantly buffing and nerfing the same strats just seems to get us into a endless circlejerking cycle...
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01.11.2018 - 15:50
Fortune favours the bold
---- We are not the same- I am a Martian.
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01.11.2018 - 16:42
Yeah because its really efficient to come up with new strategies and units out of no where, considering the time it takes for the devs in this game to fix or tweak any unbalanced aspect or any sort of bug. Its unrealistic and verry naive to think any of this will succeed in any sort of way.
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01.11.2018 - 17:52
---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon
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01.11.2018 - 18:02
Agree imo the only strats that shouldnt be touched in this patch should be imp, nc, gc and pd. lb and ds need nerfs. mos and ra def need boosts. Rest are debateable.
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01.11.2018 - 23:07
strats and units arent from nowhere, they come from our brains to ur point tho, it would take time for sure, but i think the only issue keeping us from adding in new strats/units is simply a seemed lack of interest by devs. There is plenty of ideas flowing in the mod forum, but theres just not an easy method to testing things at the moment. I think it can succeed, but thts gonna require coders who care and a methodology to testing (see above post of mine). sadly this is a big hurdle, but we can work on our vertical!!
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01.11.2018 - 23:34
There is, it's called Sky Menace
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02.11.2018 - 00:47
you're really on to something buddy
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02.11.2018 - 08:06
omg omg
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02.11.2018 - 11:35
Yeah, SE is broken in its current form hence why I made that thread last month to try and make it something else, I was thinking it to be an analogue to Desert Storm if Blitzkrieg is compared to Sky Menace, if you get what I mean. Anyhow: With the comp strats, surely LB and IMP are objectively better than the rest of the list, no? What I mean by a tier-list is taking what you did, and ordering each strategy objectively- even if the benefits are only very minuscule- based on benefits. It would make balancing far more easy, and allow all players to keep up with things better. Your list as it is already does a good job of accomplishing this, I'm just saying we should take it a step further.
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02.11.2018 - 11:39
Custom Strategies.
---- If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
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