Please merge beginners and main lobbies (repost)

Merging it would stop all the flamewar and drama about people creating alts specifically to farm newbie players. Not only that, but newbs would learn way faster. Anyone in the beginners lobby wouldn't learn hotkeys or anything competitive until they start playing in main. The game would feel fresh with new players, and many people would start playing competitive which they wouldn't otherwise.

As for farming newbs in duels, set a rank limit by default so newbs cannot join high ranked duels and vice versa.

No

Put the two lobbies together but keep the rank limits on games. This will make it look like we have a much bigger playerbase.

Beginners and main players cannot co-exist with each other, it's been that way for a long time. The reason why it wasn't as big as an issue years prior as it is now is because there was more games that weren't team-based in the past years(for example regular world maps,ancient, colonial supremacy,GGG's, etc) so that meant they had a larger variety games(not just team games) to choose to play from however these games are becoming scarce nowadays. The only games available most of the time are team based so you're seeing beginners get ousted from games more and more now because that's gonna be the primary games available which people aren't so willing to let low ranks into (for obvious reasons).
I mean sure you can argue the game looks more active but that's going to fuck the player-base even more because now beginners are going to drift more into high ranking games which means you get lower ranks getting booted much more often which makes the game look a lot more unfriendly to beginners which makes the game look a lot less unappealing.

Also beginners can't learn if a: they're not able to play games to actually get better and learn, b: forced to play with people of their own skill level because they're being continually booted from games. Now you can argue "oh well there's people to teach them to get better" well the problem with that is that new players aren't gonna ACTIVELY LOOK for people to train them when they start out, if they're not gonna actively look for a trainer to get better then what? Just boot them from your games like standard I suppose? Hell most don't ever look at the forums and see most of the guides people post

Another problem is how it makes it easier for high ranks to play with beginners in their own games, I mean it's still possible to play with beginners now if you follow the link to the game it'll allow you to join it how do you stop high ranks from fucking with low ranks in the games they host? It's not possible for non premiums to set their own custom game rank limits, it's automatically set 3 ranks above you. So what if some dickhead rank 7 wanted to bully a rank 4 or farm a rank 4, what's stopping them if they can't change rank limitations? At least with a beginners room they have the safety of not having high ranks join their games so long as they don't give out their game links

I think that one conjoined lobby is bound to fail if these issues can't be solved/addressed because while sure I don't believe 90% of players are absolute cunts who will ruin the game experience for some people. There are players who are and will be enabled to do so much easier.

Napsáno Black Vortex, 06.10.2019 at 16:25

Beginners and main players cannot co-exist with each other, it's been that way for a long time. The reason why it wasn't as big as an issue years prior as it is now is because there was more games that weren't team-based in the past years(for example regular world maps,ancient, colonial supremacy,GGG's, etc) so that meant they had a larger variety games(not just team games) to choose to play from however these games are becoming scarce nowadays. The only games available most of the time are team based so you're seeing beginners get ousted from games more and more now because that's gonna be the primary games available which people aren't so willing to let low ranks into (for obvious reasons).
I mean sure you can argue the game looks more active but that's going to fuck the player-base even more because now beginners are going to drift more into high ranking games which means you get lower ranks getting booted much more often which makes the game look a lot more unfriendly to beginners which makes the game look a lot less unappealing.

Also beginners can't learn if a: they're not able to play games to actually get better and learn, b: forced to play with people of their own skill level because they're being continually booted from games. Now you can argue "oh well there's people to teach them to get better" well the problem with that is that new players aren't gonna ACTIVELY LOOK for people to train them when they start out, if they're not gonna actively look for a trainer to get better then what? Just boot them from your games like standard I suppose? Hell most don't ever look at the forums and see most of the guides people post

Another problem is how it makes it easier for high ranks to play with beginners in their own games, I mean it's still possible to play with beginners now if you follow the link to the game it'll allow you to join it how do you stop high ranks from fucking with low ranks in the games they host? It's not possible for non premiums to set their own custom game rank limits, it's automatically set 3 ranks above you. So what if some dickhead rank 7 wanted to bully a rank 4 or farm a rank 4, what's stopping them if they can't change rank limitations? At least with a beginners room they have the safety of not having high ranks join their games so long as they don't give out their game links

I think that one conjoined lobby is bound to fail if these issues can't be solved/addressed because while sure I don't believe 90% of players are absolute cunts who will ruin the game experience for some people. There are players who are and will be enabled to do so much easier.
Beginners and main players cannot co-exist with each other, it's been that way for a long time. The reason why it wasn't as big as an issue years prior as it is now is because there was more games that weren't team-based in the past years(for example regular world maps,ancient, colonial supremacy,GGG's, etc) so that meant they had a larger variety games(not just team games) to choose to play from however these games are becoming scarce nowadays. The only games available most of the time are team based so you're seeing beginners get ousted from games more and more now because that's gonna be the primary games available which people aren't so willing to let low ranks into (for obvious reasons).
I mean sure you can argue the game looks more active but that's going to fuck the player-base even more because now beginners are going to drift more into high ranking games which means you get lower ranks getting booted much more often which makes the game look a lot more unfriendly to beginners which makes the game look a lot less unappealing.

Also beginners can't learn if a: they're not able to play games to actually get better and learn, b: forced to play with people of their own skill level because they're being continually booted from games. Now you can argue "oh well there's people to teach them to get better" well the problem with that is that new players aren't gonna ACTIVELY LOOK for people to train them when they start out, if they're not gonna actively look for a trainer to get better then what? Just boot them from your games like standard I suppose? Hell most don't ever look at the forums and see most of the guides people post

Another problem is how it makes it easier for high ranks to play with beginners in their own games, I mean it's still possible to play with beginners now if you follow the link to the game it'll allow you to join it how do you stop high ranks from fucking with low ranks in the games they host? It's not possible for non premiums to set their own custom game rank limits, it's automatically set 3 ranks above you. So what if some dickhead rank 7 wanted to bully a rank 4 or farm a rank 4, what's stopping them if they can't change rank limitations? At least with a beginners room they have the safety of not having high ranks join their games so long as they don't give out their game links

I think that one conjoined lobby is bound to fail if these issues can't be solved/addressed because while sure I don't believe 90% of players are absolute cunts who will ruin the game experience for some people. There are players who are and will be enabled to do so much easier.
Beginners and main players cannot co-exist with each other, it's been that way for a long time. The reason why it wasn't as big as an issue years prior as it is now is because there was more games that weren't team-based in the past years(for example regular world maps,ancient, colonial supremacy,GGG's, etc) so that meant they had a larger variety games(not just team games) to choose to play from however these games are becoming scarce nowadays. The only games available most of the time are team based so you're seeing beginners get ousted from games more and more now because that's gonna be the primary games available which people aren't so willing to let low ranks into (for obvious reasons).
I mean sure you can argue the game looks more active but that's going to fuck the player-base even more because now beginners are going to drift more into high ranking games which means you get lower ranks getting booted much more often which makes the game look a lot more unfriendly to beginners which makes the game look a lot less unappealing.

Also beginners can't learn if a: they're not able to play games to actually get better and learn, b: forced to play with people of their own skill level because they're being continually booted from games. Now you can argue "oh well there's people to teach them to get better" well the problem with that is that new players aren't gonna ACTIVELY LOOK for people to train them when they start out, if they're not gonna actively look for a trainer to get better then what? Just boot them from your games like standard I suppose? Hell most don't ever look at the forums and see most of the guides people post

Another problem is how it makes it easier for high ranks to play with beginners in their own games, I mean it's still possible to play with beginners now if you follow the link to the game it'll allow you to join it how do you stop high ranks from fucking with low ranks in the games they host? It's not possible for non premiums to set their own custom game rank limits, it's automatically set 3 ranks above you. So what if some dickhead rank 7 wanted to bully a rank 4 or farm a rank 4, what's stopping them if they can't change rank limitations? At least with a beginners room they have the safety of not having high ranks join their games so long as they don't give out their game links

I think that one conjoined lobby is bound to fail if these issues can't be solved/addressed because while sure I don't believe 90% of players are absolute cunts who will ruin the game experience for some people. There are players who are and will be enabled to do so much easier.
Beginners and main players cannot co-exist with each other, it's been that way for a long time. The reason why it wasn't as big as an issue years prior as it is now is because there was more games that weren't team-based in the past years(for example regular world maps,ancient, colonial supremacy,GGG's, etc) so that meant they had a larger variety games(not just team games) to choose to play from however these games are becoming scarce nowadays. The only games available most of the time are team based so you're seeing beginners get ousted from games more and more now because that's gonna be the primary games available which people aren't so willing to let low ranks into (for obvious reasons).
I mean sure you can argue the game looks more active but that's going to fuck the player-base even more because now beginners are going to drift more into high ranking games which means you get lower ranks getting booted much more often which makes the game look a lot more unfriendly to beginners which makes the game look a lot less unappealing.

Also beginners can't learn if a: they're not able to play games to actually get better and learn, b: forced to play with people of their own skill level because they're being continually booted from games. Now you can argue "oh well there's people to teach them to get better" well the problem with that is that new players aren't gonna ACTIVELY LOOK for people to train them when they start out, if they're not gonna actively look for a trainer to get better then what? Just boot them from your games like standard I suppose? Hell most don't ever look at the forums and see most of the guides people post

Another problem is how it makes it easier for high ranks to play with beginners in their own games, I mean it's still possible to play with beginners now if you follow the link to the game it'll allow you to join it how do you stop high ranks from fucking with low ranks in the games they host? It's not possible for non premiums to set their own custom game rank limits, it's automatically set 3 ranks above you. So what if some dickhead rank 7 wanted to bully a rank 4 or farm a rank 4, what's stopping them if they can't change rank limitations? At least with a beginners room they have the safety of not having high ranks join their games so long as they don't give out their game links

I think that one conjoined lobby is bound to fail if these issues can't be solved/addressed because while sure I don't believe 90% of players are absolute cunts who will ruin the game experience for some people. There are players who are and will be enabled to do so much easier.

I disagree.

Napsáno Black Vortex, 06.10.2019 at 16:25

Beginners and main players cannot co-exist with each other, it's been that way for a long time. The reason why it wasn't as big as an issue years prior as it is now is because there was more games that weren't team-based in the past years(for example regular world maps,ancient, colonial supremacy,GGG's, etc) so that meant they had a larger variety games(not just team games) to choose to play from however these games are becoming scarce nowadays. The only games available most of the time are team based so you're seeing beginners get ousted from games more and more now because that's gonna be the primary games available which people aren't so willing to let low ranks into (for obvious reasons).
I mean sure you can argue the game looks more active but that's going to fuck the player-base even more because now beginners are going to drift more into high ranking games which means you get lower ranks getting booted much more often which makes the game look a lot more unfriendly to beginners which makes the game look a lot less unappealing.

Also beginners can't learn if a: they're not able to play games to actually get better and learn, b: forced to play with people of their own skill level because they're being continually booted from games. Now you can argue "oh well there's people to teach them to get better" well the problem with that is that new players aren't gonna ACTIVELY LOOK for people to train them when they start out, if they're not gonna actively look for a trainer to get better then what? Just boot them from your games like standard I suppose? Hell most don't ever look at the forums and see most of the guides people post

Another problem is how it makes it easier for high ranks to play with beginners in their own games, I mean it's still possible to play with beginners now if you follow the link to the game it'll allow you to join it how do you stop high ranks from fucking with low ranks in the games they host? It's not possible for non premiums to set their own custom game rank limits, it's automatically set 3 ranks above you. So what if some dickhead rank 7 wanted to bully a rank 4 or farm a rank 4, what's stopping them if they can't change rank limitations? At least with a beginners room they have the safety of not having high ranks join their games so long as they don't give out their game links

I think that one conjoined lobby is bound to fail if these issues can't be solved/addressed because while sure I don't believe 90% of players are absolute cunts who will ruin the game experience for some people. There are players who are and will be enabled to do so much easier.

Well you think that way because low ranks only get booted the scenarios you play. 3v3's also boot lowranks but the vast majority of the games in both lobbies are world maps which are more acceptable for lowranks.